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Here is a very good letter about Getting Started in RC Armor Modeling
written by Craig Streetsquid the XO - DAK (Desert Armor Korps)
http://www.desertarmor.com
 

DAK Newbie Letter

To our guests, R/C Armor enthusiast, Scale Modeler, History buff, and general interested parties,
First and foremost welcome to the hobby and to this forum. This forum is an excellent source of information and inspiration. It is populated by lots of very talented and knowledgeable people from around the world, who are always willing to share. In fact there are some who can probably answer your questions better than I, but I'm willing to take a stab at it.

Probably the most important thing you should decide before buying a tank is what you would like to do with it, and at what level you want to participate in this hobby. Some guys simply love to build and run their tanks on relatively smooth ground, while others will join a club that then hosts simulated battles in which your tank will be driven on all sorts of terrain. Deciding this first will help determine what kit and upgrades will best suit your interests.

As you mentioned some of the tanks are designed to shoot the air soft BB's, while others use an IR (infrared laser) battle system. That system uses a "battle unit" to receive and register the incoming shots from another tank. Sounds like you have already decided to go with the IR type system.

Most of the available tanks can be broken down into two categories:
1. Comes in a kit form in which you have to build the tank. (Tamiya and some old Bandai kits are good examples)
2. Come as a pre-built (mostly assembled, except for some small cosmetic details). These are usually the "airsoft" tanks (Heng Long)

Because Heng Long offers more options, many builders will buy an HL tank, and then convert it to an IR battle system. And others will use either the Tamiya or HL tanks as a base to modify and make new variants of a vehicle that do not already exists on the market.

Then there are the upgrades. There has always been much debate within the hobby as to which is better. The "put together toys" which may run you $150, or buy the more expensive "kit form" that will set you back say $800. There are many in both camps and lots of reasonable and logical arguments for both, truth is you have to decide what you would get the most enjoyment out of. I personally started with a kit as my first tank, because when I started the "toy" tanks weren't nearly as popular and simply weren't yet available on the market. I now have both, and am in the middle of building a Tamiya kit, as well as converting a Heng Long tank.

Well whichever route you choose to go, kit or pre-built, there are lots of after market companies that make upgrades and after market parts that will make the tank stronger, more accurate, run better, or convert it into a completely different variant. Depending on the upgrades you can spend 2-3 times as much as tank itself in upgrades. Good examples of websites to check out for available upgrades are Tankzone in the UK, or ETO Armor here in the states. Some of the biggest and most recognized names in after market parts are carried by both internet vendors including Wecohe, Schumo, Kenny Kong and Impact.

Realize too that by doing some upgrades you create the situation that you need to do additional upgrades to support what you've done. For example many would reason that if you upgrade to metal tracks, you add weight and stress to the stock plastic suspension components and plastic gears in the gear boxes. So logic would dictate that you would also upgrade the suspension and transmissions to handle to torque and stress of metal tracks. Again many discussions have occurred about this subject. I would encourage you to ask as many questions as possible and ask them frequently.

You ask what "Full Option" means. Basically Tamiya has packaged most of their tank kits in both static and RC forms. When you buy the RC kit they refer to that as "Full Option" because it comes with a DMD (Dual Motor Drive) and an MFU (Mutli-Function Unit) which is the brains of the tank. It controls traverse, elevation, recoil, sound system, and registers the damage during a battle. You will also here the term TBU (Tamiya Battle Unit) which is frequently referred too as the "Apple". This is an after market add-on that allows you to battle with other tanks that are equipped to battle as well. For the longest time Tamiya had a corner on the IR market, but in the last few years other companies have designed and developed battle systems that are compatible and capable of battling against Tamiya units. Pros and cons to each, and another topic of much discussion on this and other forums. Some of the other companies to consider for the "electronic brain/ battle systems" are Impact, El Mod, and Darkith.

Ok I've blathered on for long enough. As I said earlier there are guys who can answer you questions more completely and accurately than I can, so by all means I encourage you to post frequently and keep posting until you feel you have learned enough that you can make an informed decision before you invest in your first tank. I would also recommend you seek other tankers in your area or a local club; it will make the hobby more enjoyable if you have others to participate in it with.

Once again welcome, I hope this post helped at least a little!

Kindest regards,

Streetsquid (Craig)
XO - DAK (Desert Armor Korps)
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« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2009, 12:23:25 AM »
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Hi Everyone,
   Just getting started and have researched the Heng Long Airsoft Tiger w/Smoke and Sound.
Prices appeared to vary from a low of $85 to a high of $160.  The higher claims to be an upgraded version, but maybe I can add the upgrades and get more of what I desire.
   Watched alot of YouTube stuff on the Tigers and they all go tooooo fast.  So I would be doing a gear reduction for starters.
   QUESTION IS: for my first Tiger, just get the lesser or what HuhHuh
The sites I have gone to so far for prices are; HobbyTron, RCToyCraze and ZenonProject.....
   Looking forward to a discussion.
I am a Model Railroader as well and my very inexpensive base diesel locos when super detailed look much better than the factory detailed at 6 times the price.
   Later
   
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« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2009, 12:42:20 AM »
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lostn6t,
Welcome.
One mans opinion.
If you are good at modify go cheap but I prefer to with the Tamiya because
you something very good from the start.
We have members who go the HL way and upgrade and I am sure they can fill you in what
would needs to be done  to make it battle ready.

George
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Hi Lostn60t,

What to buy depends on what you want to do with the tank. If your just want to knock around in the backyard and chase neighborhood critters the Tamiya don't shoot BB's. If you want to battle with IR in a nearby club there are several options and that depends again on you and what you want coupled with how much you want too spend.
 
Both Tamiya and Hen Long tanks run way too fast so gear reduction is in order, from what I've researched this runs  about $80.00 for both tanks. They both come with plastic tracks, metal tracks start at about $70 and go up from there. I run the plastic until they wear out or break.
Tamiyas have better detail suspension and electronics but you can get upgrades for the Hen Longs.The Hen long engine sounds are all the same( they sound like a sherman, Tamiya's german tanks sound like a maybach engine) whereas the tamiyas are tank specific A word of caution though it is real easy to spend way more on a Hen Long than a Tamiya.
 
A case in point is my Tiger1 I bought it on ebay used for $125.
Add a DBCRC2 battle system $130 (tamiya can be had for 60-80)
Add metal tracks $75
Add idler tensioner $55
Add metal hull and suspension $175
Now if I wanted the proper sounding engine and upgrade electronics
    an EL MOD electronics system is about $345

I  can get the Tamiya tiger 1 kit with battle system for around $575 and list is about $800.

I think you see what I'm saying. Mike S and I have talked at length an have concluded that the beauty of the Hen Long tanks is that if your on a restrained budget like a lot of us are you can get a HL up and battling for 200-300 dollars and its RTR and can be upgraded as you go .A Tamiya is more expensive initially and comes in kit form but may be cheaper in the long run it depends on the model tank and what kind of deal you can find. I picked up a tamiya panther kit on ebay for $550. So there are options and deals to be had if you can afford to wait. Like I said it depends on what you want and what your situation is. Hope this doesn't confuse you more.

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